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Having a big argument with my brother.

My contention is that if you run an Email program that does NOT

have or use a preview pane, you won't get any infection from

Emails that might have viruses or other such programs attached

to them. My argument is that if you don't open the Email and just

delete it. you will be safe.

Of course, I'm also running an anti-virus program and I have a firewall, too.

He says I can still get infected, anyway.

OK, experts, what do you think?

jr

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Having a big argument with my brother.

My contention is that if you run an Email program that does NOT

have or use a preview pane, you won't get any infection from

Emails that might have viruses or other such programs attached

to them. My argument is that if you don't open the Email and just

delete it. you will be safe.

Of course, I'm also running an anti-virus program and I have a firewall, too.

He says I can still get infected, anyway.

OK, experts, what do you think?

jr

Gut feeling - I side with your brother

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Don't use preview pane and don't open suspicious emails with attachments. The preview pane automatically opens emails in the order they are received. If an infected one is sent it will open it and could initiate the malware contained. Some anti-virus programs scan emails on arrival but some infected .zip files in email cannot be detected until unzipped.

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I love to live on the wildside, nothing really important on my comp, and its fun reformatting every once in a while :P

Never use Preview Pane in Outlook Express.

Viruses can automatically install from an iframe or other method.

I use Gmail & Yahoo Mail now after bad experiences with Outlook Express.

Be very careful using the news reader in Outlook Express.

Newsgroups are full of viruses.

Fixing a virus problem isn't fun to me.

Rather tedious,if I may say so.

Just a NOTE to virus makers--

You know,...You have good computer skills.

You are smart.

Why not do something good with your intelligence & skills?

Try writing a good simple to use image editing program with an intuitive user interface?

Write a program that allows editing PDF files for free without copyright infringement on Adobe?

Maybe you just want attention or are pissed off at the world.

If you want attention,being nice will get you positive attention.

If pissed off,doing something nice is lots better than doing something nasty.

You may not get anything for doing something nice,but you will feel better inside.

You can sleep better at night.

Think about it.

Please... Thank you.

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Well, basically, you guys are saying what I thought.

IF you don't use a preview pane and IF you don't open any Emails

that MIGHT be a problem, you won't get infected.

That's what I thought

I think I win the argument.

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I'm fairly sure you are not 100% safe even with the preview pane off.

It is just a precaution to turn it off it will keep you relatively safe.

So I don't think you have won. I maybe wrong maybe someone can back me on this or shoot it down either way. Lets start a poll!

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ive had my preview pane turned off for years

i learned that from techtv

it seems the theory is

with the preview pane turned on

in the bottom pane

your mail is opened by default

but with the pane turned off

you can right click it save it then scan it

and it must work for me i havent had a virus

in years .

tho i agree with preston

it isnt a hundred percent

but it helps

my contention is

you get what you deserve

when you surf wrong

marty

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I'm fairly sure you are not 100% safe even with the preview pane off.

It is just a precaution to turn it off it will keep you relatively safe.

So I don't think you have won. I maybe wrong maybe someone can back me on this or shoot it down either way. Lets start a poll!

I haven't been infected by an email in the last 5 years since I started to disable the preview pane and not opening emails with attachments that I didn't ask for. Panda also is doing a great job in scanning the emails as they arrive plus using Opera I now get a warning box about emails wanting to set a cookie.

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Having a big argument with my brother.

My contention is that if you run an Email program that does NOT

have or use a preview pane, you won't get any infection from

Emails that might have viruses or other such programs attached

to them. My argument is that if you don't open the Email and just

delete it. you will be safe.

Of course, I'm also running an anti-virus program and I have a firewall, too.

He says I can still get infected, anyway.

OK, experts, what do you think?

jr

Its some what true. I use OE6 and and I have minimized the preveiw pane. But all my emails that come throught there is scanned with 2 AV's..... 1 from my ISP and the other from my comptuer.

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I'm fairly sure you are not 100% safe even with the preview pane off.

It is just a precaution to turn it off it will keep you relatively safe.

So I don't think you have won. I maybe wrong maybe someone can back me on this or shoot it down either way. Lets start a poll!

You're correct. The problem isn't the preview (or even opening the email) but the way in which the email is interpreted. In theory the interpretation of the email is orthogonal to the display: the app might interpret it in the background and trigger the payload without showing you anything, or it might show you the raw email without interpreting it. In practice I doubt there any email apps that run whatever they see for no reason but it's definitely possible. I can imagine a too-clever spam filter doing it.

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Agreeing with a few others on this....if the code isn't executed, it's not a problem.

In practice I doubt there any email apps that run whatever they see for no reason but it's definitely possible. I can imagine a too-clever spam filter doing it.
Not to say that JCL's point isn't valid though.

As a windows user I learned to disable the preview pane and still do that out of habit in linux.

Good habit to not trigger any beacons in html email anyway.

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and to help keep spam down, even if you did opt in for the delivery like their email may say. do the following:

  • don't use the link on the email to "remove your email address from their database" just put it in your message filters to delete it. Some ISP's also have the option to add the email to their junk mail filter. thats what mine does. so I add the address to their junk mail filter and it deletes it on arrival or bounces it back, as a "bad address" or it had delivery failures.
    set your email program, using message filters again, to only allow email from souces you list to be delivered to your computer. Another step I use from my ISP provided filter system. as well as using the one in thunderbird or OE.
    disable the "send return receipt automatically" feature in your email client. all of them have it. I would rather see the little pop-up box that says "the sender has requested a return reciept." that way if you are a person who feels he needs to open every email, at least you aren't unwillingly telling them that you opened it.

It used to be a case of being told don't open email from anyone you don't know, now with all the viruses and worms out and about, you're almost afraid to open email from someone you do know. It's no wonder people are starting to drop their internet connections. Why pay anywhere from $10 to $60 for spam/malware infestation just to read a message from Aunt Gertrude in Tucson when you live in Phoenix?

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Why not just use Yahoo or Gmail & let them filter out the spam & viruses?

In my case it's because unlike my Yahoo account, at least my thunderbird email system will go ahead and delete the junk mail from my spam mail when it gets my email from my allowed accounts. plus this way my email is avialable on the computer for viewing in offline mode, you can't do that with yahoo or gmail, you have to have a live connection and the browser open.

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