The Besttechie Cafe'

[bearskin]

half pit bull and half great dane.

[macmarauder]

I knew you were a softy inside that genuis/inventor exterior!!!   

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(covers ears)

fa la la la, fa la la la

[bozodog]

half pit bull and half great dane.

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Hahahahahahaha! yeah sure..... Real cute pup though.

[Vile_DR]

I love the picture of the little white dog and the ball...that is just an awesome picture...I am going to save the picture and show my fiance...she will absolutly die over how cute it is....

[macmarauder]

she will absolutly die over how cute it is....

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ahhhh the deadly power of cuteness kills again. you see this is just another reason of why i hate cute things.

[Vile_DR]

Yeah...i kinda feel the same way...but the dog is just awesome...

[macmarauder]

alright time for some more boring news. my friends got back from the anime convention and they did have a good time. i got to handout with dan and that was fun. he's the one that i get alone with the best. i still feel nervous around the rest and rich is still becoming a jerk since dating rosa. but that's why the rest of us avoid them when ever possible. which brings me to my question.

have you ever noticed as a geek, nerd, ect. that since you didn't deal much with friends and relationship stuff in school like other kids that you finally started dealing with it after high school. most won't fully get it but those of us that were greatly outcast out side of the normal groups know what i'm talking about.

[bozodog]

greatly outcast out side of the normal groups know what i'm talking about.

I'll bet most of us felt that way at least a few times in our lives. But, thank God we are not all the same. I never wanted to be "part" of a group. Guess I knew early on I was an individual.

[blim]

OK, I'm too stupid to be a nerd or a geek (remembering the 5% I got on the nerd test, ouch!!), but I was never part of a "group" in HS, either, I "flitted between groups" (but avoided the cheerleaders and jocks, they were too two-faced for me!) And Thank God.

Once I got older and wiser, it was easier to read and connect with all sorts of different people, probably because I did more observing in HS (I still avoid snobs and soccermoms!)

Doing things your way, Macmarauder, is the best way. You're more mature, you've "been there done that" and you're liable to gain more true lifelong friends by diving into relationships as an adult. The kids from HS that were "popular" don't have it that great as adults--most have had multiple marriages, that alone says something about being able to maintain relationships, when you learn at the HS level.

Liz

[bozodog]

High school is boot camp for the real world. After that, you go for a specialty. I'd sure like to transport myself to Colorado and give you a *big* hug, Mac. Just to let you know there are lots and lots of people out here like you, that do like you.

[macmarauder]

thanks for the hug. in school i use to literally classify everyone into groups and then i really did try to fit in into every kinda group that i could think of. but non of them were right for me. the geeks and nerds are the closes fit that i've found. but by the end of high school i had given up trying to classify myself and created my own category. i guess that's the price i pay for not being normal or living a normal life.

sorry sometimes i just say what's on my mind and in my heart.

[bozodog]

Normal? What is normal? Who's normal, who's not? How do you judge? Who judges? Dang, I'm confuzzled.

[robroy]

I am normal. to me I am the most normal person I know. In fact I am the only normal person I know

So there

[thesidekickcat]

I never have "fit" into groups. In fact I have learned that I don't like what happens in the groups I tried out even as an adult. Lots of gossip, catty remarks, labeling others to make themselves look good only turned out they were the jerks but didn't know it if that made any sense, lots of petty jealousies among themselves, lots of surface only stuff, lots of materialism oriented lifestyles, no real purpose in life or in the groups other than hangout to attract guys, or make trouble, or get into trouble, or just talk about nothing constantly over and over again. Been there done that and don't want to do it again. Church groups weren't much better either, they just added the element of pretending to pray for someone's needs as a pretext to gossiping about them. So no more groups for me, unless I have an irontight backout plan in my back pocket, or a way to organize the meetings to fit a planned agenda to get things done rather than just killing time.

I can kill time on my own doing my own thing happily, and yes that sounds selfish but it is true. I like visiting my friends, but don't want to overdue things. I think being raised an only child out on a small farm in a small community has a lot to do with it. I like people, in fact am an extrovert, but don't want to be part of a big crowd. Just not as important to me anymore. It used to be, and I made myself miserable trying to fit in with people I really didn't like just to have friends. But found out friends aren't really friends when the tough stuff happens. Then you find out that out of hundreds of people you might know that only a very few will be there for you when times get tough even though you helped them earlier with what was happening to them. There are more takers in life than givers it seems.

As for normal? Have tried to figure out who is and who isn't for many years, or even what is and what isn't. But so far, no answers. It isn't what the ads say, or the movies, or tv sitcoms, or even most of your life it might seem isn't normal at the time but looking back and comparing what happened and if it happens to others then you find out it really was "normal" after all.

Reminds me of the old saying of the long married couple talking about the whole world being crazy, and the hubby says to wife that he thinks everyone is crazy except thee and me, and lately he wonders about thee. That thought crosses my mind about this old world every so often. Try consciously looking at the kooky stuff going on in the world, and in your general sphere of it, and then ask yourself if it makes any sense whatsoever. Soon you will see you are the normal one looking at an abnormal world.

Pat

God bless everyone.

[Brian_Holiday]

It is ironic that all of us who say we aren't really group oriented are extremely into group participation on the boards. So maybe we ARE into groups, they just have to be the right KIND of groups.

I have always maintained a small group of really close friends. After years I started to be able to profile my "group". It is as follows:

1) Usually smart. I have little paitence for stupid people. Sometimes I wish I did.

2) Funny and light hearted. I don't hang with angry people, it messes up the vibe.

3) Anti-Bigots. If you care about race or creed, I don't want you around.

4) Technology savy. I am a boring bastard that WILL talk tech. If you aren't interested in tech, we won't have much to talk about.

So by design, I am not going to be a good fit for most groups. I don't think this is a function of anti-social nature, because I LOVE to socialize in my group. I think the regulars here are like that.

And for those single guys out there, find a bride that likes tech. That way when you are up late at night hacking your tivo to display caller ID, she won't feel threatened.

BH

[macmarauder]

[joke] which brings up another point. i'm beginning to think that there is no such thing as a techgirl. nope does not exist. all who claim to be are just fat 40 year old guys posting out of their parents basement computer. nope i'm not listening to your lies and delusion of fantasy. it's like bigfoot or the lockness monster. the only time there's any evidence of such a thing the camera goes out of focus or the only one who sees it goes crazy. they now spend their nights babbling and drawing picture of computers with sexy legs. [joke]

[Brian_Holiday]

[joke] which brings up another point. i'm beginning to think that there is no such thing as a techgirl. [joke]

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Reminds me of an old sig line:

The Internet, where men are men and girls are FBI agents.

BH

[Vile_DR]

It is ironic that all of us who say we aren't really group oriented are extremely into group participation on the boards.  So maybe we ARE into groups, they just have to be the right KIND of groups.

  I have always maintained a small group of really close friends.  After years I started to be able to profile my "group".  It is as follows:

1) Usually smart.  I have little paitence for stupid people.  Sometimes I wish I did.

2) Funny and light hearted.  I don't hang with angry people, it messes up the vibe.

3) Anti-Bigots.  If you care about race or creed, I don't want you around.

4) Technology savy.  I am a boring bastard that WILL talk tech.  If you aren't interested in tech, we won't have much to talk about.

  So by design, I am not going to be a good fit for most groups.  I don't think this is a function of anti-social nature, because I LOVE to socialize in my group.  I think the regulars here are like that. 

  And for those single guys out there, find a bride that likes tech.  That way when you are up late at night hacking your tivo to display caller ID, she won't feel threatened. 

  BH

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Wow that sounds amazingly like what i would classify my small group of friends. HS was different for me though...i was in all the clubs, groups, and sports...well baseball anyways, and happened to be friends with everyone, but over the years, the real friends stuck around and didn't need help from me in this subject or the next, just wanted to talk about it. Now each weekend we all get together and "chill" talking about whatever comes up. And about the single guys...my girl loves the fact that i know more about computers than most people...she'll come home and tell me about it and before i can even tell her that they were blowing smoke about "hacking" this or that "backdooring" this and that...she is telling me that she is laughing str8 at them. "Backdooring" this and that...lol...that cracks me up every time i hear it...sounds like a bad porn joke!

[joke] which brings up another point. i'm beginning to think that there is no such thing as a techgirl. [joke]

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Reminds me of an old sig line:

The Internet, where men are men and girls are FBI agents.

BH

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That is awesome...but I am sure there are some techgirls out there, but Possibly smarter than us men knowing not to reveal themselves because we could be psycho's just waiting for the thrill...

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[macmarauder]

whaaaat? you mean backdoor hacking isn't like flying around in 3D cyberspace all cool like, like in the movies. and how come real hacking has to be so time consuming and boring. it should all happen in the matter of seconds by using some super secret black box by throwing a bunch of random numbers on the screen.

btw i don't think that it's hard to believe that someone who does the nerdy geeky snort laugh that we do can be all that dangerous.

[Chappy]

We have a Puppy.....Yah!!!!!

What a cutie pie Honeybun is, I hope she grows up to be a good watchdog for our little corner of the web, but we're so friendly she'll prolly lick intruders into submission...

Well, its great to be back amongst friends again, this place truly is home and I get a nice warm feeling every time I login here. I missed you all but I really needed some time to just try and relax and get away from everything.

I'm sorry that I caused some of you to worry about me, I promise to give some kinda warning if/when I need another break. It sure feels good to know that some people out there care enough to recognize when someone's missing, and ask around to see if they're OK or not.

Thats always a scary thing really, because if someone does get hurt badly, or (God forbid) passes away, we may never really know what happened to them unless they have a close friend who also knows their online friends and can tell them. They would just simply stop posting, and that would be all we know about it.....terrible thought, but unfortunately true.

I think I'll leave a message with my family, that if anything happened to me, certain people would be emailed and told of the incident, and asked to inform my online friends. If I were to pass on, I would certainly wish my friends here to know about it, and not just think I left without saying goodbye.

That wouldn't happen anyway, I Love you all too much to do that!!

K...I'm starting to get all emotional and mooshy now, so hugs to all and have a Good Nite!!

[Brian_Holiday]

whaaaat? you mean backdoor hacking isn't like flying around in 3D cyberspace all cool like, like in the movies. and how come real hacking has to be so time consuming and boring. it should all happen in the matter of seconds by using some super secret black box by throwing a bunch of random numbers on the screen. 

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Yea, I love that. I was watching Swordfish and noticed that to hack, you should just bang your fingers on the keyboard like a 2 year old. Her comes my hack:

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Did anything happen? Oh well, some ATM in Idaho is probably spitting money out right now

BH

[Vile_DR]

Swordfish is a alright movie...to many Clichés with the "computer terms" and ideology. But Haley Berry kept my attention on just watching the movie instead of trying to pick it apart...I guess I could say the same about Hugh Jackman and John Travolta...but i won't...LOL

[Brian_Holiday]

Swordfish is a alright movie...to many Clichés with the "computer terms" and ideology.  But Haley Berry kept my attention on just watching the movie instead of trying to pick it apart...I guess I could say the same about Hugh Jackman and John Travolta...but i won't...LOL

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I liked it because of the action, and the appeal of a independantly funded 'covert counter terrorist unit'. I am kind of an action movie buff. If you throw in a little bit o' hacking, you got me. Sneakers, Wargames, the Net, Swordfish, the 13th floor, The matrix, I like them all. The problem is, real hacking isn't very exciting to watch, so they have to do this 'flying electrons' graphics thing to keep the 'unwashed masses' entertained.

I think the best portrayal of real hacking would be in hackers <gasp >. Specifically when they do the all night session reverse engineering a virus. Even that was only visually entertaining because of the time lapse.

War games was also really cool. It is a little on the retro-side now, but back then it was cutting edge stuff. I so wanted to be that kid, but in 83 all I could afford was a Commodore Vic 20. This is about the time red box- green box, phreaking got popular. I think that is all I am going to say on that subject...

BH

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[Vile_DR]

Swordfish is a alright movie...to many Clichés with the "computer terms" and ideology.  But Haley Berry kept my attention on just watching the movie instead of trying to pick it apart...I guess I could say the same about Hugh Jackman and John Travolta...but i won't...LOL

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I liked it because of the action, and the appeal of a independantly funded 'covert counter terrorist unit'. I am kind of an action movie buff. If you throw in a little bit o' hacking, you got me. Sneakers, Wargames, the Net, Swordfish, the 13th floor, The matrix, I like them all. The problem is, real hacking isn't very exciting to watch, so they have to do this 'flying electrons' graphics thing to keep the 'unwashed masses' entertained.

I think the best portrayal of real hacking would be in hackers <gasp >. Specifically when they do the all night session reverse engineering a virus. Even that was only visually entertaining because of the time lapse.

War games was also really cool. It is a little on the retro-side now, but back then it was cutting edge stuff. I so wanted to be that kid, but in 83 all I could afford was a Commodore Vic 20. This is about the time red box- green box, phreaking got popular. I think that is all I am going to say on that subject...

BH

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Well other than naming half of my favorite movies...I do understand the "time" issues with "hacking" or cracking. Almost every day, granted this is all internale so time is cut in half, I try to access different parts of my network using password crackers, buffer-overflows, and spoof attempts just to make sure everything is secure on the inside...trying to get in from the outside is a little bit more time consuming because of port identifcation, firewall exploites, even router exploits, but depends on what else in life you feel like doing...you could spend a day or a life time doing all of this...just depends on the person...

[Brian_Holiday]

Well other than  naming half of my favorite movies...I do understand the "time" issues with "hacking" or cracking.  Almost every day, granted this is all internale so time is cut in half, I try to access different parts of my network using password crackers, buffer-overflows, and spoof attempts just to make sure everything is secure on the inside...trying to get in from the outside is a little bit more time consuming because of port identifcation, firewall exploites, even router exploits, but depends on what else in life you feel like doing...you could spend a day or a life time doing all of this...just depends on the person...

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I thought you might. The job I have now doesn't include the fun stuff. I really want to do 'DOD Red Team' work. The problem is, I think I would be a little too good at it . People don't respond well to looking foolish. One thing being in this field teaches you, is how easy it really is. From the network is one thing, but if someone gets 5 minutes or less of physical access to a machine, you are done.

One of these days I am going to get around to building my penetration testing training network at home. The best way to learn is to hack yourself.

BH