New Hdd

[martymas]

hi all

ive just installed a new 10gg hdd

on my compt

and i intend to install a linux sys

i have the ubuntu disks

i posted about it some time ago

but ididnt want to try any thing untill i had the new hdd

ok now im going to need heaps of help

my main concern is the modem

i have an intel 536ep dse- modem

which when i bought it was linux compatable

that was 2 years ago

and ive waited all this time

i intend to dual boot with winxp

xp on one drive and a linux on the other

i would like to try ubuntu

but is that dialup modem compatable with

the sys

thanks

marty

[iccaros]

10gg hdd

a 10 gig drive is old.. and would be slow, plus is probaly past its 3 years mark (ide drives become more unreliable after 3 years.. )

try doing it in vmware (server is now free) and use an image..that way you can use the modem in windows and it will share that connection to vmware.. (use the nat setting)

plus, you can easly get to the internet from windows, and not have to worry about sutting down linux to ask a question (or reboot or mess with boot loaders) you can put the drive image on the 10 gig drive or tell vmware to use a real drive and point it to the 10 gig drive..

I think vmware is best for people who really do not know alot about *nix OS, as when they get frustrated thay just hit cntrl-alt and are back in windows and take a break.

[tictoc5150]

I think iccaros is on the mark for this one...

I saw that you were still gonna be dealing with the intel 536ep dse- modem issue again and did some googling for its ease of getting it to actually function in Ubuntu...definitely not for someone new to *nix.

See for yourself, and that's not a guarantee that it'll work if you follow the wiki and forum thread exactly.

[martymas]

thanks for the input

it looks as tho high speed connection

is not for my area for the moment

i think nov 2006

is when it comes on stream

so at the moment im stuck with dial up

and i would like to get ubuntu on as soon as possable

im not new to linux

as i had mandrake on for over a year

and when i posted at techtv c.f.h

i used man 9.1

most of the time but those days

i had it on a dual boot with win98

on a 5.88 ghdd

and only 123mg of ram

tho it was slow

it worked well

but the sys was to small

to use both

so i waited until i could get more resources

to think about

ubuntu and xp

it seems linux is geared up for

tech minded

and wealthy people

and that makes dial up a no no

for modem help,

as your replys to my

post indicates.

when i had mandrake 9.1

i technician from the company

i bought the modem from walked me

through the setup on the phone.

so i may have to pay some one to

configure the dial up

thing for me

but when ubuntu came they

changed the dialup configuration rules

when i installed mandrake

the comp emailed me and asked if i wanted to try ubuntu

and i answered yes

so they sent me six ubuntu disks

to give away

but it isnt any wonder

most people in my country are on dial up

apart from

big bizness who are on fast connection

so in countrys like mine

linux will never take off

and i believe underdevolped counties

as well

but intend to keep on trying it

even if i have to pay for the connection

again thanks for the input

tictocs

article is very enlightening

iccaros

can you explain more about vmware

please

marty

Edited April 29, 2006 by martymas

[iccaros]

vmware is a virtual machine that runs inside of another machine..

they have a version for windows http://www.vmware.com/

the vmware server is now free (some people use player but server lets you do more)

you install the application and start it, create a new machine. it has a real BIOS and will run most x86 os's inside of it (some of us have osx ruinning in it....shhh)

you can start and stop the virtual OS with out booting.. plus it lets you bridge a connection like a modem so you dont have to have drivers in linux..it will look like a network card...

[iccaros]

here is my Linux box running windows in VMware with a minimized window... you would be running it the other way around..

you can also full screen the os and it looks liek you are just running the vm os

[shanenin]

wouldn't running linux in a virtual machine be slow also? I think he would have a better experience running it on a slow harddrive nativley.

[naraku9333]

wouldn't running linux in a virtual machine be slow also? I think he would have a better experience running it on a slow harddrive nativley.

That would depend on host hardware, if he has a pentium4/athlon and ~512MiB of memory he should be ok. I think a VM is a good idea considering the hardware compatibilties he has with linux. Also vmware has several pre-built VM's (ubuntu,fedora5, frebsd,gentoo,etc), easiest way for anyone who just wants to try linux.

[shanenin]

I suppose the biggest advantage to using it would be the ease of the network. Their would be no need to configure the dialup adapter. I guess I have never run a virtual machine, to me it does not seem real. Maybe that would change with using one.

[martymas]

thanks all for your insight into this driver thing

im just praying for the broadband to arive here

but in the mean time

do i go ahead and install ubuntu

and vmware

thanks again

[i have severl friends waiting for me to get this right

so they can convert to linux

so i hope i done make any muk ups ]

marty

[iccaros]

I would install it in vmware (it's free what do you have to loose right) and if its too slow then you can do it the normal way, I just think vmware will let you not feel traped if something is not working..

[martymas]

thanks iccaros

im going to need all your help

do i install vmware

and then ubuntu

or visa versa.

it looks as tho the govt is going to deregulate

the broad band thing

and bring faster connection

and cheaper prices

which is a god send to us on dial up

but that is 2-3 months away

i have this empty

hdd already configured

and the other with windows xp

ide love to have ubuntu as a stand

alone but at the moment that isnt possable

as i need the xp drive to help with the configuration

thanks again

hope you can help

is the ubuntu drive in fats

or does it not matter

marty

LM

[iccaros]

ubuntu wil be in ext2 or ext3.. but if you are using vmware it can be fat.

[martymas]

iccaros

ok im in the process of downloading vmware

about 74percent loaded

my Q

do i send it to the spare drive or do i send it

to the drive with winxp

thanks

my god i feel helpless

does it matter if ive convetered the spare drive to fat32/

marty

Edited May 5, 2006 by martymas

[iccaros]

vmware is a program you install in windows (you got server correct?)

so your standard install will ask you wher eyou want it installed, as it does not matter where.

after that start vmware and select create new virtual machine..

at this point you walk through options like you were building a computer. select ide drive types insted of SCSI

its when you are creating the "computer" that you pick your spare drive as the place it resides. since you have 10 gigs I would not make my drive over 8 so you can do snapshots..

snap shots let you "back up" to a known good point

here is the vmware isntructions for ubuntu

e sure to read General Guidelines for All VMware Products as well as this guide to installing your specific guest operating system.

The easiest method of installing Ubuntu Linux 5.10 in a virtual machine is to use the standard Ubuntu Linux distribution CD.

Before installing the operating system, be sure that you have already created and configured a new virtual machine.

Installation Steps

1. Insert the Ubuntu Linux CD in the CD-ROM drive.

2. Power on the virtual machine to start installing Ubuntu Linux.

3. After the Ubuntu Linux installer copies the files it needs to the virtual disk, it ejects the installation CD and displays a message saying the computer will restart. If the virtual machine fails to restart as expected, click the Reset button to restart it.

4. Follow the installation steps as you would for a physical PC.

5. After completing the installation, create a password for the root user. You need to become root to install VMware Tools.

Enter the following command:

sudo -s -H

At the password prompt, enter the password for the normal user — the same password you used when you logged on to Ubuntu Linux.

You are now logged in as root. Enter the following command to set the root password:

passwd

At the prompt, enter the password you want to use for the root account.

You can now become root at any time using the normal su - command and the root password you just created.

VMware Tools

Be sure to install VMware Tools in your guest operating system. For details, see the manual for your VMware product or follow the appropriate link in the knowledge base article at www.vmware.com/support/kb/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=340.

Note: You must use the tar installer to install VMware Tools in Ubuntu Linux.

Known Issues

Guest Screen Saver

On a Linux host with an XFree86 3.x X server, it is best not to run a screen saver in the guest operating system. Guest screen savers that demand a lot of processing power can cause the X server on the host to freeze.

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[martymas]

iccaros

thanks for your info

my last Q

ive already registered with vmware

and have a reg number

i made my first mistake

i was so dam excited

i pressed the wrong install button

it was the vm player button

instead of the vmware

server.button

bit i have that all fixed now

and i have the down load page already to go

i see it will take 2-3 hrs to download

so i wont be around for some time

again thanks

much appreciated

warning

ile be back for more info

so i hope you dont mind

i need to get it right as i have 2 friends looking over my shoulder

thanks

marty

Edited May 5, 2006 by martymas

[iccaros]

just to let you knwo.. I will be in texas for the next week, so my time will be limited. but as alwyas we have several Linux 'exprerts' willing and able to help you. If I am on and have time I will not ignore you.

[hitest]

just to let you knwo.. I will be in texas for the next week, so my time will be limited. but as alwyas we have several Linux 'exprerts' willing and able to help you. If I am on and have time I will not ignore you.

Have a safe trip, iccaros, we will see you when you're back.