Bubba Bob

They go hand in hand. Middle Eastern counties are often ISLAMIC STATES. Islamic Law and government coincide. There is no other mjaor religion that is so controlling, or that dictates every way of life, other than Islam. He makes America look weak. NOT GOOD. Anyway, back to the point, Islam did not add enough to the world that anyone owes a debt. For most of it's history Islam was DEstructive not CONstructive. To say that any owes a debt to Islam is political drivel.

So society does owe a debt to Islam?

I beleive you're still missing my point (my fault). Im not getting into a tit for tat debate, because it is the whole picture that matters. Western culture and ideals allowed for free thought and expressions (well - mostly - The Roman Catholic church stunted a lot) where as Islam as a whole does not. For Obama to say that we owe a debt to ISLAM is wrong. (key arguement <<<<) Everything Islam touched, touches, and will touch, it suppresses. Islam has stunted/haulted/stopped/reversed more 'enlightenment' than it can every create.

Fair Enough. Let me go back to the quote and clarify. Obama claims that we owe a 'debt' to Islam because Islam paved the way for Europe's enlightenment. This is wrong on several fronts. First, let us look at the time period that Wikipedia claims Islam had its "Golden Age". At about the same time Islam was rapidly expanding. It engulfed the Middle East and North Africa. Everywhere Islam went, so did its harsh rulers and treatment of infidels. The Jizya tax and punishment forced countless people of other faiths to convert to Islam. Many of accomplishments given to Islam really go to the Byz

Simply put, that is the PC version of history. Yes, there have been brilliant Muslims, and new concepts come from Muslims. However, the religion as a whole suppresses even the idea of enlightenment. No bigger evidence of this than to look at the West vs the Middle East in modern times.

Ive tried to be open minded toward the far left president, unlike the left was to Bush, and unlike the consverative media (Hannity) is to Obama. However, with speeches like this I find it becoming harder and harder. I watched his speech and was left dumfounded and amazed. Uh, no Mr. President. History shows time and time again that Islam suppresed enlightenment. To say it "paved the way" is nothign but BS. His countuing kiss-ass attitude towards Islam is not diplomacy. It is not helping America. Our enemies are sitting back laughing and thanking Allah that America elected Obama. Oh,

Glad to have a happy ending here! Any chances of anymore compliactions from the poisoning?

Small world... The interenet proves time and time again.

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Yep. Used to live down there about an hour or so south of you. Moved out here a couple years ago. Where's your MIL?

Found this today off the coast of the Florida pan handle. Someone had dropped it down into a compartment of a sunken tug boat in about 80ft of water. Thought you computer geeks might find it interesting. A couple critters were already calling it home. * Sorry for the crappy picture quality - The best I could to with the amount of light I had *

Where is Sultan's never ending file of bookmarks and links? Come on - Give em up. I've got a decent list stored away somewhere... Mostly dating back to the TechTv days - So I guess they are all out of date. Anyhow - We should gang up on Sultan and call it a day.

Rigth now you can join the NRA for free for one year, or half price for other lengths. http://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/

On the other hand, it could just be the drives spinning up. AKA - perfectly normal.