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if there are any

uk posters

you will be familiar with these pics

dam world wide tho

the same has happened in my country

europe and some of the eastern countrys

and much in the usa

who many dont believe in global warming

and i believe

prior to the uk floods

last summer a poll sowed

64 percent voted it was scare mongering

by invirementalist

take a look at some of these

nature cant be tamed like man

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I mean this respectfully Marty, however...

Much of the USA is NOT having floods. A SMALL part of the country had problems for a while. A part of the country that Ive personaly experienced that type of weather before in. Jeesh, weather gets a littel wacky and everyone points to man made global warming. What did people point to before the global warming hype? :wacko:

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then do you think it was natural causes

tho man hasent helped

the area in nz that was affected shows this adverse weather

has never ever been recorded

as well it is in an region

that is tropical

and they had snow and ice and sleet

as well as those floods

which was so damaging

the people have to be relocated

was the gulf storms in the usa

a natural phenomina or are they seasonal


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Any warming is mostly natural. If human has ANY effect, it's quite small. If anything is out of the norm, it's the past several hundered years of fairly calm weather. (IMO)

Im not sure of the gulf storms you are talking of. If you mean the hurricanes we had a couple years back, purley natural (seasonla BTW) . It was just a bad year. Hasn't happened since, and doesnt look like it will happen this year (knocks of wood :unsure: )

COuld you give me a link to the odd weather you're speaking of in NZ? Sounds interesting. Id like to do some research on that...

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yes ile try and look for the press cuttings

tho the press isnt reliable

i think i can find it on the tvone site

most of this news come throught tv chanels

or i look at teletex

seems more to the point

in the city of dunedin

they had 33 days of black frosts

the city was at a stand still for that time

every thing was delivered by foot

when i was young a black frost was a rare accorrence

so it is certainly colder now then ever

not the very cold weather extremes like other countrys

but consistently cold every day


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... the people have to be relocated

was the gulf storms in the usa

a natural phenomina or are they seasonal


There have been worse storms in the past (higher rated storms, wider spread storms, etc.), Katrina happened to blow some levees along with the expected devastation from such a storm. New Orleans has ALWAYS been in danger of a direct hit blowing the levees, Katrina happened to be the one to finally do it. There's also an immediate threat from the Mississippi river, it's been trying to re-route for decades but the levees & dams have, so far, prevented it. If it should overcome those levees and dams there'll be another disaster (I'm sure some people will point to global climate change as the source of the problem but, like severe hurricanes, the potential for massive damage has been known for decades -- as have the solutions).

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I can't avoid dropping a quote I came across....

Alarmist global warming claims melt under scientific scrutiny

June 30, 2007


In his new book, The Assault on Reason, Al Gore pleads, "We must stop tolerating the rejection and distortion of science. We must insist on an end to the cynical use of pseudo-studies known to be false for the purpose of intentionally clouding the public's ability to discern the truth." Gore repeatedly asks that science and reason displace cynical political posturing as the central focus of public discourse.

If Gore really means what he writes, he has an opportunity to make a difference by leading by example on the issue of global warming.

A cooperative and productive discussion of global warming must be open and honest regarding the science. Global warming threats ought to be studied and mitigated, and they should not be deliberately exaggerated as a means of building support for a desired political position.

Many of the assertions Gore makes in his movie, ''An Inconvenient Truth,'' have been refuted by science, both before and after he made them. Gore can show sincerity in his plea for scientific honesty by publicly acknowledging where science has rebutted his claims.

For example, Gore claims that Himalayan glaciers are shrinking and global warming is to blame. Yet the September 2006 issue of the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate reported, "Glaciers are growing in the Himalayan Mountains, confounding global warming alarmists who recently claimed the glaciers were shrinking and that global warming was to blame."

Gore claims the snowcap atop Africa's Mt. Kilimanjaro is shrinking and that global warming is to blame. Yet according to the November 23, 2003, issue of Nature magazine, "Although it's tempting to blame the ice loss on global warming, researchers think that deforestation of the mountain's foothills is the more likely culprit. Without the forests' humidity, previously moisture-laden winds blew dry. No longer replenished with water, the ice is evaporating in the strong equatorial sunshine."

Gore claims global warming is causing more tornadoes. Yet the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change stated in February that there has been no scientific link established between global warming and tornadoes.

Gore claims global warming is causing more frequent and severe hurricanes. However, hurricane expert Chris Landsea published a study on May 1 documenting that hurricane activity is no higher now than in decades past. Hurricane expert William Gray reported just a few days earlier, on April 27, that the number of major hurricanes making landfall on the U.S. Atlantic coast has declined in the past 40 years. Hurricane scientists reported in the April 18 Geophysical Research Letters that global warming enhances wind shear, which will prevent a significant increase in future hurricane activity.

Gore claims global warming is causing an expansion of African deserts. However, the Sept. 16, 2002, issue of New Scientist reports, "Africa's deserts are in 'spectacular' retreat . . . making farming viable again in what were some of the most arid parts of Africa."

Gore argues Greenland is in rapid meltdown, and that this threatens to raise sea levels by 20 feet. But according to a 2005 study in the Journal of Glaciology, "the Greenland ice sheet is thinning at the margins and growing inland, with a small overall mass gain." In late 2006, researchers at the Danish Meteorological Institute reported that the past two decades were the coldest for Greenland since the 1910s.

Gore claims the Antarctic ice sheet is melting because of global warming. Yet the Jan. 14, 2002, issue of Nature magazine reported Antarctica as a whole has been dramatically cooling for decades. More recently, scientists reported in the September 2006 issue of the British journal Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society Series A: Mathematical, Physical, and Engineering Sciences, that satellite measurements of the Antarctic ice sheet showed significant growth between 1992 and 2003. And the U.N. Climate Change panel reported in February 2007 that Antarctica is unlikely to lose any ice mass during the remainder of the century.

Each of these cases provides an opportunity for Gore to lead by example in his call for an end to the distortion of science. Will he rise to the occasion? Only time will tell.

James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at the Heartland Institute.

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