Chernobyl

[martymas]

i presume many of you have heard of the chernobyl

disaster.

and other places that had less publicty

well ime anti neuclear

not for political reasons but for the dangers

it creates

for centurys after

here is a website created by the daughter of a russian

neuclear phycitist [not sure of the spelling]

and it shows how dangerous it is

i know a lot of people rubbsh the dangerous

of this menace to the human race

and many countrys have it

and more want it

http://www.myownlittleserver.us/chernobyl/

Edited March 8, 2007 by martymas

[irregularjoe]

i presume many of you have heard of the chernoble

disaster.

and other places that had less publicty

well ime anti neuclear

not for political reasons but for the dangers

it creates

for centurys after

here is a website created by the daughter of a russian

neuclear phycitist [not sure of the spelling]

and it shows how dangerous it is

i know a lot of people rubbsh the dangerous

of this menace to the human race

and many countrys have it

and more want it

http://www.myownlittleserver.us/chernobyl/

Thanks for the link Marty.

Phoenix is near the largest nuke facility in the country.

The nuclear regulatory agency just downgraded it to a D rating, one step before a forced shutdown.

All kinds of safety and operating problems.

They now have to have 2500 inspections before it can be upgraded to a better rating.

Two of the clowns that ran the site were fired.

Of course my electric bill keeps going up though.

Edited March 8, 2007 by irregularjoe

[martymas]

luckly for us our gov is against this type of power

but if there is a change of gov

and i feel it is a right wing party who will win. they have pledged

to reinstate the neuclear thing

and i see our counterparts in australia

are talking about this type of power

so it wont belong and we will be talking neuclear

but the anti lobby is strong in nz

so may be it wont come to that

i feel one of the problems is the companeys

advocating the change wants to get in on the action

and cash in on it

maybe i wont be here by then but my grand children

and great grand children will face our follies

that is an interesting article by that girl

and we need to take note

marty

[Bubba Bob]

Chernoble was terrible... However that doesn't mean nuclear power is a bad thing. Anything operated poorly is a danger. Being nuclear power is quite dangerous, that just means it will be run better and with more strict standards. Untill nuclear fusion can be used... fission is the best way to create electricity.

[bozodog]

Michigan has has several nuke plants for years. Yes, they have had their problems.. But the regulations are tighter and inspections are more frequent now. And tech is far superior now. Around here our only other options are coal, oil and natural gas... All of which are becoming more expensive. Not to mention dirty to the air. Locally we have a small dam that is producing a bit. But our rates are still much higher than the "Tennessee Valley Authority" that has several large dams online. The dams also created a beautiful, very large series of lakes.

What is the answer? I dunno. Wind power here is "iffy", forget solar in Mich. with an average 165 days of "mostly sunny". Whats left to break the chains of Mid-east oil? No one is building refineries. No one is building more nuke plants. So what will we do? Maybe find a way to clean-burn trash and old tires? How nice it would be to see the landfills emptying. Old tires? The tech is there, but the return is naught.

Edit: Of course the tree huggers have a iron fist in most of our problems. Wind farms kill birds, no one will build a refinery because of the costs of new regs. Same with nukes. Tires and trash have the "not in MY backyard" problem. So we are forced to see ever increasing prices for energy of all kinds. Capitalism at it's worse. If you hamstring an investor, he'll just sit on his money.

Edited March 8, 2007 by bozodog

[irregularjoe]

Michigan has has several nuke plants for years. Yes, they have had their problems.. But the regulations are tighter and inspections are more frequent now. And tech is far superior now. Around here our only other options are coal, oil and natural gas... All of which are becoming more expensive. Not to mention dirty to the air. Locally we have a small dam that is producing a bit. But our rates are still much higher than the "Tennessee Valley Authority" that has several large dams online. The dams also created a beautiful, very large series of lakes.

What is the answer? I dunno. Wind power here is "iffy", forget solar in Mich. with an average 165 days of "mostly sunny". Whats left to break the chains of Mid-east oil? No one is building refineries. No one is building more nuke plants. So what will we do? Maybe find a way to clean-burn trash and old tires? How nice it would be to see the landfills emptying. Old tires? The tech is there, but the return is naught.

Edit: Of course the tree huggers have a iron fist in most of our problems. Wind farms kill birds, no one will build a refinery because of the costs of new regs. Same with nukes. Tires and trash have the "not in MY backyard" problem. So we are forced to see ever increasing prices for energy of all kinds. Capitalism at it's worse. If you hamstring an investor, he'll just sit on his money.

I'm going to be putting a new spa in at my house along with a bath addition.

I'm seriously looking into some kind of solar collector for the hot water.

I might as well get something out of the incessant sunshine besides skin cancer.

Edited March 9, 2007 by irregularjoe

[bozodog]

Good deal there... I've seen solar collectors on shed roofs for pools around here, but I hear they are hard on the pumps. I dunno, but for a hot tub in sunville it sounds like a great idea.

[irregularjoe]

Good deal there... I've seen solar collectors on shed roofs for pools around here, but I hear they are hard on the pumps. I dunno, but for a hot tub in sunville it sounds like a great idea.

I'm really surprised that there is not more of it here.

I mean... people actually go outside to watch the rain because it's so unusual.

If anywhere would be conducive to solar energy, it would be here. Yet there is no policy to even look at it.

[JDoors]

Nuclear energy makes me nervous, but Chernobyl is a bad example as it was a poor design, poorly maintained, with poorly trained, poorly paid workers who made mistakes once trouble started, and a poorly prepared government that made HUGE mistakes once the extent of the problem was known. A worst-case scenario if ever there were one. The one thing that truly fills me with emotion is knowing how many of those poor workers intentionally sacrificed their lives to try to contain the damage. They went into the worst areas of radiation ... because it HAD to be done, knowing it would soon kill them. Very sad.

However, I have little confidence in American capitalism to safely maintain a nuclear plant. In the end, all that matters is cost cutting; Less training, less safety, less investment in maintainence, less of everything that could make nuclear a safe option. All to get better financials so investors will remain happy. On the other hand, we have a frightening example of a nuclear plant run by socialists, and I have little confidence that the American form of government can do any better running or overseeing a nuclear plant.

So, it makes me nervous, yet I still think there's a place for nuclear energy in our future. The state of Illinois gets 6% of its power from nuclear energy (last time I checked) and -- touch wood -- it's been a non-issue here for decades. France also gets about 6% of their power from nuclear energy (if memory serves). Every new plant is an advancement over previous designs, every problem (at least the ones that doesn't kill us all) teaches us how to do better in the future.

And I hate relying on imported oil, so I say, build 'em and build 'em now.