I very much appreciate your reply... however since your post i have been searching thru my task manager for this file OTL.exe ...i guess i do not know where to find it ...nor not sure how to rename.....maybe i am over my head... dont want to waste your time... however other than reloading windows and loosing all of my business files ....i am not sure what to do.....maybe you can refer me to a site that can walk me thru some options....fix it for computer dummies with big problems